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help with "USE_CONTROLLER_FAN"

Hi
I am in a process of upgrading the stepper drivers to tmc2208
and wanted to use the USE_CONTROLLER_FAN option so the fan will only kick in when the motors are active
I tried to use the HE1 (#define CONTROLLER_FAN_PIN 7) on the board to run a fan
since i have a 12V fan I configured the  CONTROLLERFAN_SPEED 127
checked with multimeter that its actually 12V 
tried to connect a fan but the fan died

how can I solve this problem?
do I need to use only 24V fan on that output(HE1)?
can i use 5V fan with USE_CONTROLLER_FAN function on other pin if so on what pin?



Thanks

Comments

  • Samuel PinchesSamuel Pinches Posts: 1,136Administrator (absent until February)
    edited December 2018
    welcome @Victor_SH !
    Regarding mosfets and voltages, I think you'll find this is a related thread...
    https://jgauroraforum.com/discussion/comment/2561

    I don't think the voltage is 12V - it is a PWM controlled output which normally means 24v -> 0V -> 24V -> 0V repeatedly, very quickly. Normally capacitor is required if you want to smooth this output to 12V.

    Post edited by Samuel Pinches on
  • Victor_SHVictor_SH Posts: 6Member
    According to the meter it's 12.5v
    On the video now I see that at first second there is 18v reading 


    But never mind I get 2 5v 0.35a fans
    How I can connect them?
    The 2 ports on the right side can accept 0.35a draw
    If so can I control them with USE_CONTROLLER_FAN
  • ProkktorProkktor Posts: 129🌟 Super Member 🌟
    I can help you half the way^^

    The frequency of the pwm signal is usually between 5000 and 20000 Hz, so you can not possibly see that on an standard multimeter. You will need an oscilloscope.
    (Theoretically you can use any pc with microphone jack but thats a whole other topic^^)
    There are various ways you can get a 24v PWM to run a 12V Fan:
    - a mosfet that is competible with pwm signals and a true 12 power supply
    - a 24v 12v dc  dc converter
    - run 2 fans in series (they must be identical)

    But the easiest way is: Buy a cheap 24V fan^^

    You can also look at my solution here:
    https://jgauroraforum.com/discussion/414/project-upgrading-the-a5-to-direct-drive-full-metal-hotend-auto-bed-leveling-for-under-60#latest
  • Victor_SHVictor_SH Posts: 6Member
    I have a 24v double bearing fan but it's 80x80 so I need to print adaptor for it

    So no way to control the 5v pins on the board? 
  • ProkktorProkktor Posts: 129🌟 Super Member 🌟
    edited December 2018
    Well you do have multiple Servo connectors, which have a signal pin, which in turn is pwm controlled 5V.
    It may even have enough power for a small fan... but I am not 100% certain that works (its a 50Hz Servo signal as far as i know, not made to power anything)
    And you will have to modify the firmware...

    I do not really get your plan as a whole, just let the fan run all the time...
    I printed the blue duct for my tcm fan and it will simply always run... getting a silent fan is much easier than everything mentioned here^^

    Post edited by Prokktor on
  • Victor_SHVictor_SH Posts: 6Member
    My plan is to make the pinter as silent as possible 
    I want to use the controller fan option
    To make the fan stop spinning when the print is done 
    A lot of the time I leave the printer at night printing 
    And when it's done the 5v fan is still spinning and make a lot of noise
    This 5 volt fan they verry powerful at 0.35a 
    Don't want to slow them down using resistors because the printer is in closed enclosure 
    Same as prusa i3 ikea lack enclosure in thingiverse

  • ProkktorProkktor Posts: 129🌟 Super Member 🌟
    Hmm ok if thats the goal:
    Connect the printer to some wifi controlled power (I use broadlink sp3) which in turn is controlled by home assistant, that can read tons of different sensors.

    Just turn the printer off 5 min after the print is done^^


  • Victor_SHVictor_SH Posts: 6Member
    edited December 2018
    how to know when the printing is done? the print time calculation is not 100% true
    probably I will just mount 24V fan to the HE1 output

    stil in a process of  building the enclosure
    Thanked by 1Samuel Pinches
    Post edited by Victor_SH on
  • ProkktorProkktor Posts: 129🌟 Super Member 🌟
    That looks nice.

    There are various ways to check if your printer is still working:

    - it will use less power which is detectable with a wifi wall plug that measures ampere (maybe a sp3s?)
    - it will be less noisy, which can also be measured
    - you can install the wifi module for the mks gen l (probably?) or use octoprint to send a signal over wifi to the home assistant
    - after the print it will move the y axis to the endstop, you can probably solder a second pair of wires to this endstop and use it to detect when the print is finished




  • Victor_SHVictor_SH Posts: 6Member
    The use controller fan option is more simple
    When the motors stop moving after a minute the fan stop spinning too 
    And it start spinning only when the motors start moving
  • ProkktorProkktor Posts: 129🌟 Super Member 🌟


    He explains what you need^^
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